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Skyrun4John Titor ~ Time Traveler, Futurist or Fraud
March 23rd 2008 21:57
I’d run into bit and pieces of the Titor background story, so my treats and I settled in for the evening. It held promise of high mystery and intrigue. And the program did indeed fulfill this expectation.
The background story:
John Titor was a specially trained soldier from 2036, who manifested and appeared on the radar so to speak, sometime around the late winter of 2000 in car containing a portable machine that allowed him to travel from the future back into the past. Once here, he began his work and to make assorted postings during a four to six month period on the internet. Many of them proffer dire prophetic warnings while simultaneously holding out hope. Here is a link to a John Titor website, which I consider to be the best organized site of the John Titor genre.
A selection of John’s Posts about the year 2036:
What are your memories of 2036?
I remember 2036 very clearly. It is difficult to describe 2036 in detail without spending a great deal of time explaining why things are so different.
In 2036, I live in central Florida with my family and I’m currently stationed at an Army base in Tampa. A world war in 2015 killed nearly three billion people. The people that survived grew closer together. Life is centered on the family and then the community. I cannot imagine living even a few hundred miles away from my parents.
There is no large industrial complex creating masses of useless food and recreational items. Food and livestock is grown and sold locally. People spend much more time reading and talking together face to face. Religion is taken seriously and everyone can multiply and divide in their heads.
Why would I want to talk to you? Why don’t you believe you have something interesting or worthwhile to say to someone in the future?
No, the ice caps are not melting any faster than they are now. There is also far less smog and industrial waste in 2036.
I suppose we could agree that no particular era in history is famous for its development of humanity but just once I would like to hear questions like, “What is family life like in the future? How does society deal with poverty? Is AIDS, abortion and drug use still a problem?”
I am not aware of any physical change to my DNA or “aura”. I do however seem to be more susceptible to colds.
Yes I believe in Jesus Christ and we pray to God in churches. There are some differences you may be interested in. Religion is a major part of people’s life in 2036.
Life is much more rural in the future but “high” technology is used to communicate and travel. People raise a great deal of their own food and do more “farm” work. Yes, compared to now, we do work long hours. After the war, my father made a living selling oranges up and down the West coast of Florida. My closest friend raises horses and another works for a company that maintains “wireless” Internet nodes.
Life has changed so much over my lifetime that it’s hard to pin down a “normal” day. When I was 13, I was a soldier. As a teenager, I helped my dad haul cargo. I went to college when I was 31 and I was recruited to “time travel” shortly after that. Again, I suppose an average day in 2036 is like an average day on the farm.
Yes, there is a post office. The Internet is still alive and well in the future. People spend more time talking because life is more centered on the community. I’ve noticed the same type of effect here when the power goes off. People tend to come out of their homes and actually spend time with their neighbors. There is a lot more personal trust and less paranoia.
No new information there (on UFOs and aliens). I find that an interesting subject myself. Personally, I think “UFOs” might be time travelers with very sophisticated distortion units. But that might be a bit wacky.
One of the biggest reasons why food production is localized is because the environment is affected with disease and radiation. We are making huge strides in getting it cleaned up. Water is produced on a community level and we do eat meat that we raise ourselves.
Yes, genetic engineering is used but it’s like any other technology. It can be good and bad. One thing we did not do was create more hybrid seeds. What are people thinking?
I am a Christian Agnostic (HOST: Did John mean Gnostic?). I do not believe faith alone is enough to get us back to God. I’m not sure what happens when we die but I’m pretty sure it’s not a walk in the park.
We are working on it (HOST: space travel).
My greatest joy is sailing. For fun, I enjoy swimming, playing cards, reading, playing games on the net and talking with people who live in other countries. As a community, we celebrate much more and have bon fires and dances. My hobby is sorting through old magazines and videos of life before the war.
After the war, early new communities gathered around the current Universities. That’s where the libraries were. I went to school at Fort UF, which is now called the University of Florida. Not too much is different except the military is large part of people’s life and we spend a great deal of time in the fields and farms at the “University” or Fort.
Most of my memories growing up are not fond. Life was very hard. Simple things make me happy like hugging my mother and father. Yes, we have cameras. More digital. Film is used like painting is today. No hologram camera though.
Yes we have phones but the service is through the web. Most power generation is localized. It amazes me how much power is wasted now. Yes, solar is big. There is thought that a singularity generator could also be used but most people are against it.
The elderly are highly revered and looked after on a community level. So are orphans. There is always something people can do now matter what. The idea of avoiding work is looked down on. Everyone pulls together to keep the COMMUNITY strong.
Hats are more common in the future and flashy colors are less common. Dress is much more functional and we “dress up” whenever we get a chance. I have noticed that no one in this time dresses for occasions even when they have the clothes. Why do people wear shorts to church?
We do not spend nearly the amount of time on our hair as people do now. Women like to wear their hair longer and men have it much shorter. Both sexes shave it all off when they’re in active military service.
Far less medical treatment in the future even though It’s more advanced. People die when they now its time to die. No lasers. Genetic medicine and cloning organs are the obvious new techs in the future.
The Constitution was changed after the war. We have 5 presidents that are voted in and out on different term periods. The vice president is the president of the senate and they are voted separately.
We have cars, just not a whole bunch of them. There is public transportation from city to city.
If I could bring some material thing back to your time from 2036, it would be a copy of the new US Constitution.
Can you explain what the purpose of time travel is on your worldline?
In 2036, a great deal of effort is going into “repairing” our environment. I was sent to 1975 to get a computer system and take it back to 2036. Time travel is not a secret in 2036 and I expect it will become more common.
Why is time travel used?
Right now, its used to get information or “items” that would be helpful in getting a post WWIII world back to a normal condition. There are 7 other time travelers in my unit.
Where do time travelers go the most?
Right now, most of our practical missions are from 1960 to 1980. There is a great deal of research into later and future periods but the farther you go, the lower the divergence confidence of the world line.
Has cancer or AIDS been cured yet?
Aids, no. Cancer, some progress.
What would you say to any world leaders who might be reading this right now?
Revel in your confidence today because you will not win tomorrow.
Earlier you spoke about the patch you wear on your uniform. You said the spirals represented two paths. One was safe and the other lead to God. What does that mean?
The safe way is the one calculated to take you in time where you want to go, the other path will take you to God (death). Both are equally accepted and anticipated before each trip.
What are the social prejudices in 2036?
Yes there are. However, as odd as it may sound, it serves a useful purpose in my time.
After the war, much of the prejudice you have now was swept away by simple necessity. People had to work and fight together just to survive. This has a way of opening a person’s eyes as to the value of fellow human beings.
What difference does the color of a man’s skin make when you are both fighting against the same enemy to survive or find water or grow food? On my world line, if a man doesn’t’t pull his weight in the community, then we feel prejudice towards him as a burden to us. This feeling of shame he experiences then makes him realize his responsibilities.
What is the health care like in 2036?
You would probably not like it at all. I would compare it to what you see in Western movies. We do have hospitals but there are more family doctors and house calls as compared to what you are used to. There is no real organized health care. If you get a serious disease, you die. This however has had a tendency to strengthen the general genetic pool. Doctors are more concerned about things like broken legs, snakebites and delivering healthy babies.
Is there some sort of new world government in place by 2011?
On my world line in 2011, the United States is in the middle of a civil war that has dramatic effects on most of the other Western governments.
How far have computers and software progressed in 2036?
Good question! I would say the biggest difference is in the reliability of the hardware and software. It absolutely amazes me how willing people are here to accept computer and software failures on such a regular basis. I was very surprised to see how prolific it is. You can look forward to very stringent manufacturing parameters and programming discipline. Think back to the early days of the computer and how much work and cleverness it took to fit those programs into such small areas of memory. Has more and cheaper memory brought better programs or just more programs?
As far as technical specifics, I’m afraid I cannot go into too much detail. However, I will tell you that processor speed and memory size take dramatic leaps forward.
What is your favorite food?
It’s very hard for me to find food here. It all scares the Hell out of me. I’ve found a couple of local farms where I am reasonably sure the raw food is safe and my mother started a garden for me.
Does anything happen in the year 2012? I’ve heard stories about the world ending.
In my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida. The civil war was in its 7th year and the world war was three years away. Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. Unfortunately, I have decided not to discuss events that you or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a surprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the Red Sea and the Egyptians?
Please describe any details you can about the education system in 2036.
The education system has been through many changes. School in 2036 is no longer a political indoctrination system and students “learn how to learn”. Since community activity varies from place to place, the emphasis on basic reading, math and language is augmented with skills particular to the community. One school may emphasis farming while another teaches woodworking. Having children is a bit different and less common in 2036. A typical school day involves a setting very much like it was 100 years ago with smaller classes and few administrators to teachers. Other areas of study that are less common now are history, citizenship and personal economics.
What is the extent of Presidential power in 2036?
The office of President is far more diluted and decentralized than it is here. The powers of the national government are more defined and reside more at the county and state level.
Your future seems to be fixated on killing people. Isn't there a criminal justice system or do you just enjoy killing people?
Perhaps you could take the dialogue in question and post it with your question. However, if I understand you, you're asking about death on my worldline. Yes, it is more a part of our lives than it is yours (at least for now) and capitol punishment is a reality. Although the documents posted were printed from a computer printer, is it really that hard to believe that manual typing is just a bit more common in thirty years? After the war, many things like manual printing machines, bicycles, sailboats and hand tools were valued a great deal. I have noticed more people in California are installing wood burning stoves.
What sort of future do you imagine after 2036? Will we colonize the solar system?
Keep in mind that not all humans were destroyed but we were all affected. There is an effort going into colonizing space because it is believed that the problems of overpopulation were a large cause of the war. Personally, my generation sees itself as having a duty to try and repair the mess our fathers handed to us. When we were young, most of us had a small taste of the world you live in now and our only dream is to clean it up and give it back to those still able to have children.
(1) Industrialized mass production does not produce the uncountable tonnage of useless consumer items so gleefully absorbed by your society. I would estimate there are about 10 units like mine (C204) and twenty larger units (C206). The main difference is the sensitivity and number of the main Cesium clocks. I would estimate that some sort of public time travel will be common around 2045.
(2) I'm not aware of any other time traveler's "here" now. But if they are here, I'm sure they're pouring over sports history books so they can go back in time another week and start a friendly conversation on the web.
(3) The "Mad Cow" story here is yet to begin but don't worry, the fruited gelatin deserts are safe.
(4) I'm glad to see it's so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a "no arrmer" and a "no legger".
Can you give us some personal stories of your past?
I was born in 1998 so I do share some childhood memories with all of you. When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.
From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and National Guard.
Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in 2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years. (Hearing in my right ear isn't as good as I would like it). The civil war ended in 2015 when Russia attacked the U.S. cities (our enemy), China and Europe. As unusual and bad as my childhood might seem, I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Africa is not a pleasant place to be in 2036 although I would characterize it as recovering.
Yes, there are significant advances in computer science. It's interesting how easy it is to be fixated on the "machine" itself without any curiosity about many of the support systems. This is not really big news but if / then is out and if /then /maybe is in.
The "machine" is owned by the military. I am part of a unit stationed in Tampa Florida. The real energy is in creating the machine, not operating it. It's interesting you should bring up the divergence percentage. You may find it entertainingly interesting to know that the divergence can be more accurate with more sensitive gravity sensors and clocks. The C206 uses 6 Cesium clocks and an active method of timing the changes in the atom. We time travel to solve problems. A great deal of effort is going into repairing the environment and infrastructure.
Will it still be lawful for me to own handguns?
I thought owning a handgun was legal in the United States? Yes, being familiar with firearms (along with the other responsibilities of the Constitution) becomes an important part of people's lives in thirty years.
Korea United?
I guess you could say that. Taiwan, Japan and Korea were all "forcefully annexed" before N Day.
Fiji? I've noticed that when most Americans think about Canada in this time, they think about pine trees, chooks and back-bacon. It may interest you to know that most Canadians in 2036 are some of the most efficient, ruthless and dangerous people I know. God help Quebec.
How many time travelers are there on your team? How do they choose new ones?
My unit has between 6 and 10. When I left, there were 7 others. Military service, physical fitness, history or technical background and special relationship to target contacts get you in the door. Why can't you answer questions about natural disasters? No one can change something now that would cause an earthquake or stop one. I will not share information that would allow someone to avoid death by probability.
PERSONAL RULES FOR TEMPORAL DISCLOSURE:
(1). I will not disclose any information that will cause someone to personally gain by its knowledge.
(2). I will not disclose any detailed information that would allow someone to avoid death by probability.
(3). I will not disclose any information that may compromise any future actions by individual people or threaten their family and well being.
Name any near future event that makes history.
You mean other than the mad cow pandemic, the breakthroughs in high-energy physics and the unknown functions of the 5100? I realize I've only been on this board for a few weeks but I assume you've read the other postings I've made about these issues months ago in order to be so definitive.
What exactly happens to the water?
Yes, radiation affected the water but that can always be distilled out. There are biological hazards that cannot. In addition, fresh water is hard to come by without talking to someone with a gun first.
ARTIFICIAL MICROSINGULARITY = LOCALIZED KERR FIELD Is this a prediction?
I'm sure I would end up in one of their nice little padded cells while In your "world time" have things like "Saquatch" , "Loch Ness monster", and other reported unusual animals?
We have our swamp monsters too. In fact, I think it's interesting that we all respond to the unknown the same way regardless of our cultural experiences.
Is there a police force as we know it? Have any of your leaders been jailed
or impeached?
Yes, we have police but they are organized in smaller groups. Yes, we still have political and religious leaders who find it difficult to obey the law. I would submit to you that the law is only as good as the people's willingness to apply it evenly and swiftly.
Is there a Global Superpower state?
Being a superpower only makes you a target. There is an uneasy balance in the world now that everyone "probably" has nukes, chems or bios. We don't just bomb people for the hell of it anymore. Military power is based on the number of autonomous fighting men who are actually willing to fight.
How is electricity generated in 2036?
"Most" publicly generated power is through very efficient solar cells. On a local or household level, there is steam, hydro and inversion generation.
Do you remember any poetry after 2001 in your past?
A Soldier's Winter
The day before it wasn't snowing.
The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the ash of winter ..my
world, my life, my wandering path.
I pray God's eyes may once again gaze upon me and remind me that I am still
His child.
I only (think) I remember the first line but the last one I remember. It has quite a few more lines that I don't remember. It is rumored this was written first as a letter by a soldier. After he died it was added to and edited by others. In my opinion, it has become a symbol for the collective guilt my parents' generation feels for what became of the world.
Why are orphans an issue?
Problems with the environment still have lasting affects on all people, which cause the average life span to (be) lower. In addition, people are more susceptible to accidents. Family life and children are very highly valued and the community takes the responsibility for raising children if their parents die.
What is your biggest environmental issue?
Water. You need it for everything and there is very little left in the world that is positively safe to drink.
What kind of public punishment is there?
Hard labor, community service, banishment (you must move to another community), public execution.
Is there personal freedom?
Yes, the same freedoms you enjoy under the Constitution.
Is there an IRS?
Yes, we pay taxes. Sounds like you don't enjoy keeping track of your personal income taxes. I don't think anyone does.
Other than time travel how do most people get around the country? Do people travel much?
There is a high-speed train system, horseback, bike, walking. Automobiles are used mostly for sport and some transportation.
Are people suspicious of strangers or are all you people just one big happy family?
There is still conflict and mistrust. Yes, I am suspicious of strangers. I think that's an instinct we are given to help us stay alive.
What do you see for the future of time travel on your worldline?
That's a good question. I am hopeful that one day when we get the planet cleaned up it will be a nice place to live on again and no one will want to leave it. On the other hand, if time travel were commonplace right now, I think a great many people would leave and perhaps never return. There is also a suggestion that time travel might make an interesting punishment.
However, I don't think we have the right to force criminals on unsuspecting worldlines and sending them to the Stone Age might be a bit much.
I find this fascinating. Has California had the big earthquake?
The big one? As you are experiencing now, there are earthquakes, storms and other unfortunate surprises from Mother Nature that have impacts on your society and future history. That is one reason I won't go into detail. However, don't worry too much about major portions of coastline slipping under water.
Do most of the people of that time die, especially ones that currently have
health problems?
Yes, and people are still dying and a great deal of them are passing from CJD. As I said, with my very first few posts almost 6 months ago, I want to emphasize how devastating this will be. I believe two people are confirmed dead in Colorado from CDJ from surgical instruments.
Ahhhh, the power of cheese. Milk does a body good and beef is what's for dinner!
"No, I have not tried any fast food. Thinking about where the food came from, how it was shipped and treated absolutely terrifies me. I have tried to tell people about CJD disease and it seems to be "catching on" in Europe."
*Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of
its own dead.
*The "Mad Cow" story is just unfolding, . . .think about a very recent beef recall in the USA, beef that was feeding school children. Processing animals that couldn't stand on their own is very alarming to me.
Savor what we have now, change looms on the horizon.
Raven
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I am very precocious and that is why I am allowed to read blogs, this one is too long for me.
As a child of the Universe, newly created, I wander hither and yon for a bed and meals. Everyone with whom I connect is obliged to look after me, but generally I do not stay long.
All pedophiles have to live on a remote island and look after themselves, they have no access to the rest of society, but when the new pill is finally formulated they will be let back into the community once the pill has been tried in their own community for tolerance and side effects and then a life time injection will be given.
The elders of the groups punish young offenders in any community to ensure they are well behaved, alcohol, cigarettes and drugs have been abolished and those with medical conditions are cured in a rehabilitation unit, requiring no drugs, but small transplants and DNA repairs.
Everyone sings and dances and we all eat well. There is a community centre for every group of 50 people. Houses are comfortable but modest. Children are born at home except for rare instances of difficulty when the mother goes to the local 'birthers' units catering for difficult births and pain relief.
Pain is reduced by suffused aromatherapies of a very broad range.
I'm sorry but I have to go to school to play now and learn by doing things, something different every day. More formal classes are limited to just 2 hours daily, more in the higher schools and especially more for those gifted.
Treating a child as gifted before the age of 15 is considered a crime and is forbidden.
This could go on forever but I am just 10 and do not have any memory of previous existence.
Have a good day community father Raven.
I'm happy they fixed up your pain and mental confusion, I do not know what pain is.
Bye.zzzytak
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I remember hearing that there is a movie in the works about Titor, with help from his lawyer. Have you heard anything new about this?
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